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Gay Marriage

Discussion in 'General' started by AL1CE, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. AL1CE Hexy Witch

    The argument made against gay marriage is usually a religious one. So if someone objects to Gay Marriage on religious grounds, shouldn't they also object to the union of a straight 'heathen' couple being described as a marriage?

    - If marriage is about love it should be for everyone who wants it.
    - If marriage is about extra financial security (e.g. better pensions for married couples) to encourage parents staying together, it should be for everyone who wants it.
    - If marriage is a religious thing then each religion should have its own version and its own say in who can and can't get married. The state would then decide which religions (and thus which marriages) to recognise.
  2. M Kahlua's ever-tightening butthole

    Marriage should not be legally recognized at all. It's got no more to do with the government or the law than going steady or being BFFs. If it must exist, they should change the legal status to BFF and let anybody join into a BFF commitment, whether they're same sex, different sex, interspecies, more than one person, a single person, imaginary friends, or literally anybody else that is capable of signing a document that proves the existence of a BFF and has the cash to pay the BFF license fee.
  3. AL1CE Hexy Witch

    Would 3somes be allowed to have a BFF license?

    If marriage is viewed purely as an expression of love, I think 3somes should be allowed to get married.
  4. Psychopiglet Active Member

    If consenting adults wish to marry then there is no reason that they should not be allowed to. Simple as that. I know we don't have gay Marriage in the UK at the moment, but Civil Partnerships were a good step in the right direction and I see no reason why it shouldn't lead to gay Marriage being legalised in the future now that the homophobes have seen that the world didn't end and society didn't fall apart due to Civil Partnerships as they apparently feared.
  5. freezerburn Active Member

    If I can be married then my older sister should be able to as well. It would have seriously made my life easier!
  6. Starfish Pink bunny

    I have an incredibly unpopular and unrealistic opinion. Marriage exists to protect children, and should be for people who are going to have children (including adoption). In a magical, mind-reading world, two-sex couples who intend to avoid parenthood, or same-sex couples with no plans to adopt, would not be granted marriage licenses.
  7. Psychopiglet Active Member

  8. Starfish Pink bunny

  9. QTgirl Joy's minion.

    Unpopular and unrealistic, aside... where do you get marriage existing for the sake of children?

    I mean, maybe this is that romantic and idealistic side of me but I assumed marriage was for the couple. The symbolism that the relationship is supposed to mean something.
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  10. And this is why you are a fucking idiot.
  11. M Kahlua's ever-tightening butthole

    Yes. Everyone would be allowed to purchase a BFF license. You can have more than one best friend. Under my perfect system, it wouldn't matter if you love people or not. All you'd be doing is granting certain people (your BFFs) certain rights, such as the right to decide to take you off life support if you get Schiavo'd, assuming you haven't given this right to someone else.
  12. thanto Active Member

    The purpose of marriage legally is well-defined property distribution upon death (if one dies intestate), hospital visitation rights, financial and medical decision making in the case of inability to grant legally recognized consent (EX: coma, brain damage), insurance coverage, and certain tax benefits.

    Problems start to occur when you get a group of more than 2 people involved. I'll give an example. Currently, in community property states, like California, any income from employment earned during marriage becomes community property, and anything purchased with community property or any funds gained from selling community property is also community property. Additionally, any property substantially maintained, improved, or otherwise modified using community property becomes community property (IE: bank accounts, house renovations, car repair). So, let's say Person A marries Person B. That is a community that we'll call Community AB. Any income A or B earns becomes party of Community AB. Now, let's say Person A marries Person C. This creates a new Community AC. Any income A or C makes becomes part of this community. This means that A's income becomes part of 2 separate communities. Additionally, anything purchased or substantially modified with that income, like cars, houses, etc. becomes part of 2 separate communities. How does that work? What happens to it if A dies?

    Another example. Suppose the same as above: A marries both B and C. Suppose A enters a coma without having specified instructions for life support. Suppose B says end it, but C says continue. Now what?

    Hospital visitation and insurance coverage seem to be OK. That then leaves tax benefits in the form of joint filing. I really don't know how that would work with 2 couples (AB and AC).
  13. Sockmess Active Member

    That kinda makes sense to me. The only problem would be if marriage isn't recognize then your wife/husband would no longer be considered family and then can be forced to testify against you. But if government didn't recognize any marriage and instead then things by household for tax purposes. Oh well.
  14. MrJunkpile alflalfla

    The whole marriage thing is a perpetuation of male dominance over females.

    You put a down payment in the form of an engagement ring, to claim property of the woman, and then further brand her with a wedding band. Men try to convince her it's ok by wearing a band themselves, but they'll take it off when they go to a bar without her.

    I even saw a guy once claiming he couldn't remove his ring by faking his finger was deformed - a lady who became my Pub friend that night pointed it out when the dude was hitting on her. The dude even "tried" to pull it out (the ring) in front of her. A few minutes later, he'd taken it off and told Stacey "see what I did for you?" :lol:
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  15. QTgirl Joy's minion.

    That is messed up and infuriating. But women can happily remove their rings as often as men. I'm pretty sure they have too.
  16. M Kahlua's ever-tightening butthole

    How do you explain gay marriage?
  17. MrJunkpile alflalfla

    "Gay marriage" is an imitation of tradition that helps expose the fallacy of the "normal" thing when traditionalists feel forced to defend the so-called sanctity of the thing.

    If the social contract aspect of a marriage were just called, for example, Form TD06 for Arrangement of Living Partners, the religious aspect would eventually be seen as a glorified Easter Sunday or a Baptism.
  18. kookaburra Guest

    Marriage should always be a festive activity.
  19. SDSU_Aztec Active Member

    I watched "The Surprising History of Sex and Love" once. It detailed how marriage evolved through time. I say same-sex marriage is the next step in society, but people are "afraid" of it. Just like when the microwave was introduced that stove manufacturers condemned them as machines that would unleash radiation and turn you into supervillains if you used a microwave... or gas stove manufacturers saying an electric stove will electrocute you so it's better to stick to gas stoves
  20. Psychopiglet Active Member

    The risk of becoming a supervillain would have made me want a microwave even more if I'd been alive back then. :D

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