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Philosophy Would you torture a single human baby if it would bring world peace?

Discussion in 'General' started by eviltechie, Jan 24, 2012.

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  1. eviltechie Administrator

    This question brought to you by my favorite German drug aficionado, and very likely the hottest girl in the world, Fen.




    So, what's your take on this classic moral dilemma?

    Personally, I'm with partially with Fen on this one. I would torture a lot of humans, of any age, if it were to result in world peace. I, however, unlike Fen, don't give animals a pass. If their suffering would bring world peace, I'd attend to it.
    eviltechie, Jan 24, 2012
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  2. M Kahlua's ever-tightening butthole

    I wouldn't torture anybody in the name of world peace. Any sort of peace that could be reached through torture of someone innocent isn't going to be founded on any compromise or mutual respect so it wouldn't last. But that's not why I wouldn't torture them. I wouldn't torture anybody because 1) it's not my responsibility and 2) I'm not a sociopath.
    M, Jan 24, 2012
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  3. eviltechie Administrator

    Are there any circumstances under which you would sacrifice an innocent for the greater good?
    eviltechie, Jan 24, 2012
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  4. M Kahlua's ever-tightening butthole

    You mean like killing one to save millions? Absolutely not.

    It wouldn't be my place to decide who lives and who dies, but if I'm going to be heartless enough to let someone die or kill them, I might as well let the larger group die so it at least helps fight overpopulation.
    M, Jan 24, 2012
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  5. Psychopiglet Active Member

    You mean to say the key to world peace is being held hostage by the world's babies and if we torture one they might just hand over the information necessary to achieve it? If so, yes. Yes I would!
    Psychopiglet, Jan 24, 2012
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  6. FITS Well-Known Member

    Yes. Do you realize how many lives would be saved, how much torture and anguish around the world would be alleviated if every country and every culture had peace? There was no racism, no violence, no hatred, and no anger? No religious war, no class wars, no pain or suffering? Everyone got along perfectly and everyone was happy? Torturing one baby would be worth it. I admit that's easy to say because I won't ever have to do it and I don't have any children, but I'm sure everyone would be pretty happy that I did it.

    Unless God wanted me to do it, then I would say no because that's maniacal.
    FITS, Jan 25, 2012
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  7. diptinderwick Member

    Absolutely not, but only because I don't want to live in a peaceful world. If you think about it, the only way world peace could ever be achieved would be through the homogenization of all people. To me, living in a world where everybody thought, believed, and behaved in the exact same ways would be incredibly boring.
    diptinderwick, Jan 27, 2012
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  8. FITS Well-Known Member

    By the way, Fen is super hot.
    FITS, Jan 27, 2012
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  9. emperorpartin B(e)ar(d)barian

    In theory yes, but I don't know how long I could listen to the thing's crying before killing it just to shut it up, effectively ending the torture and possibly nullifying the arrangement.
    emperorpartin, Jan 28, 2012
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  10. QTgirl Joy's minion.

    Fuck no!! Aside from the moral issue, I just couldn't do it. I can barely stand hearing a baby cry for something was trivial as just crankiness. I would not to be able to stand being the cause. Because a pain cry is so much worse.

    Also... in my opinion, I'm not sure how long this peace would last.

    Imagine the world wide response when humans learn what the price for their peace was. How many would consider it worth it? How many wouldn't? How much arguing would probably result from this discovery and different views? Or other things?
    QTgirl, Jan 28, 2012
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  11. FITS Well-Known Member

    What if no one knew that you torturing a baby would cause world peace, so your actions would always be private? And what if the world peace lasted forever and the Earth was a utopia?
    FITS, Jan 28, 2012
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  12. QTgirl Joy's minion.

    All right... I concede that part would be dependant on whether the world ever found out about it.

    That being said, my first sentence still stands. I couldn't do it. Mentally and emotionally, I could not bring myself to torture a baby. In fact, if somehow I were to do it, I'd probably not be able to appreciate the result 'cause I'd probably commit suicide or have a mental breakdown and be locked away in a mental hospital forever. Driven to insanity or whatever.
    QTgirl, Jan 28, 2012
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  13. FITS Well-Known Member

    I think I would probably end up the same way. I don't think I could stand under the psychological weight. But, if that meant the rest of the world had peace, maybe it'd be a noble sacrifice.
    FITS, Jan 28, 2012
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  14. Flaming_Liberal Active Member

    So, nice to know almost everyone here is down with Omelas.
    Flaming_Liberal, Jan 28, 2012
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  15. OLYCOM Guest

    I'd do it; I came close to kicking a kid in the head this afternoon as he was getting on my tits.

    That said, I doubt world peace would do much good anyway. We'd have no need for weapons manufacturers, think of the job losses and financial chaos that would bring. What would happen to the military and the various technology research centres they have, what would happen to all the charities specialising in aiding war torn countries. What would we do with all the additional people who would have been culled in times of war? Would borders fall? Would nationalities merge? Would news become boring?

    So, what good would world peace do?
    OLYCOM, Jan 30, 2012
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  16. Starfish Pink bunny

    I'm not convinced that doing it would be the morally correct choice. Even assuming the world peace lasted forever, and was based on everyone truly being compassionate and respectful and choosing to settle differences through open dialogue and compromise, and it didn't mean everyone thought the same but simply that everyone respected everyone else's views, I still don't know that forcing suffering on an innocent person to achieve it would be the right thing to do.

    Even if I were convinced that it was morally right--not just not wrong, but the RIGHT thing to do--I doubt that I could bring myself to do it.
    Starfish, Jan 30, 2012
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  17. MrJunkpile alflalfla

    You are quite limber.
    MrJunkpile, Jan 31, 2012
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  18. Kim Active Member

    Depends on the kind of torture. I torture some now with games of keep away.
    Kim, Feb 1, 2012
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  19. Rydel Member

    No. Absolutely not. Let's see if there's an easy way I can explain my views on this... hmmm Nope.

    The real problem with this question is that world peace could never be the result of, or involve, torture. For world peace we would need real harmony with ALL others... And not just humans either. The whole planet, animals, etc. Otherwise there wouldn't be "world peace". Though granted the idea of "world peace" is a bit crazy anyway. The rule of existence is that all things end (die), and while we can certainly come into a balance with this fact and with life and others, the general idea of "world peace" is no harming of anything ever... blah blah blah I could go on and on. Anyway, if you torture something you are immediately out of touch with the whole "world peace" stuff, so the only way this would even be feasible is if you then killed yourself... I'm just talking out my ass now...

    I think I lost my own train of thought there.

    Carry on.
    Rydel, Feb 16, 2012
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  20. Rab22 The Mad Scientist

    Ah, the famous dilemma....

    No, I would be one of those who walked away from Omelas.

    Rab22, Feb 18, 2012
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